Curse

Kerwyn Nasilan · Apr 28, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

Stop whining.

Kaon · Apr 28, 2009, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by MithranArkanere

While participating in Plaver-vs-Player (PvP) gameplay, you will not participate in any form of match manipulation. Match manipulation is defined as any action taken to fix or manipulate the outcome of a match or alter or manipulate the rankings or ratings of the ladder. This also includes disrupting other people's game experience by not actively participating in matches in good faith, a.k.a leeching.

Again, you have not read the opening post. How is rolling in alliance battles ladder manipulation? How is rolling for zkeys in hall of heroes ladder manipulation? How is a rolling game in gvg ladder manipulation?

Also I just asked Martin on IRC and he ALSO evaded my question and gave the same answer about "screwing the system." Why is everyone being so RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing crazy today?

THE MAIN PART OF THE ARGUMENT IS THAT EVEN ASSUMING (WHICH I DISAGREE WITH) ROLLING DESTROYS HB. IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BANNED IN OTHER FORMS OF PVP AS GVG=/=HB.

I've had a lot of fun rolling. I think it's just retarded anet prevents me from having any more. Also, I've played more gvg's than anyone else in the game, and I've never seen any of them being decided by roll.

Shayne Hawke · Apr 28, 2009, 11:51 PM // 23:51

How is /roll, RPS, "Red resigns", etc. not considered ladder manipulation? After all, everyone that plays rated HB matches will end up with some sort of Rank, which means any two players that participate in this are, in a way, affecting the ladder.

Just a thought.

Grunntar · Apr 28, 2009, 11:52 PM // 23:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaon

Why are we, the playerbase, not allowed to play the game the way we want? Why are we not allowed to have fun on our way? Why?

Umm, because it's *their* game, and they get to set the rules... Seems pretty clear to me! You want a different game? Nothing stopping you from learning to program!

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Lindsey...said...rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.

The legal quote above doesn't say "ladder" manipulation. It says "match" manipulation, so it seems they are still within their rights (to make the game work however they want). Just my interpretation, anyways.

Kaon · Apr 28, 2009, 11:55 PM // 23:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grunntar

Umm, because it's *their* game, and they get to set the rules... Seems pretty clear to me! You want a different game? Nothing stopping you from learning to program!

Yes it's their rules and I am now pointing out how retarded they are. Why are you taking up defense for Anet when they're clearly in the wrong here. If you do not think this decision of them was wrong, then please attack my arguments.

don richardos · Apr 28, 2009, 11:57 PM // 23:57

its lame that they removed /roll from al pvp and not only from HB..True
but QQ about u cant /roll anymore after winning hoh or before GvG..come on O.o

sph0nz · Apr 29, 2009, 12:01 AM // 00:01

it's lame that they removed /roll from towns/outposts. now people can't "gamble" their money away in a casino.

it's lame that they removed /roll from pvp so nobody easily and effortlessly farm titles like commander.

digimonizm · Apr 29, 2009, 12:02 AM // 00:02

I'm surprised they got rid of it. ANET seems to be just doing random insane things, that's why I'm kind of discouraged from getting GW2. I'm still not sure if ANET has learned anything from GW1 to make GW2 better.

The first 2 years Proph and Factions were great, NCSoft managed to get sponsored pros from S. Korea to compete in their high end GvG matches and yearly championships for real money. Sure the PvP aspect was broken but it was still fun.

...then it all died down and well, DIED! GG ANET, but it's over.

...now, we have whatshisface sitting in a cubicle changing skills around just for the hell of it. Championships have been automated with no point in competing because competition comes with sponsors and money. (Think Starcraft)

bursta91 · Apr 29, 2009, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Wts tissue.

On topic, what is HvH

MithranArkanere · Apr 29, 2009, 12:08 AM // 00:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

Mithran, actually Lindsey and others have said many times on that rolling ISN'T considered ladder manipulation according to a.net.

It's not fair. It's discouraged. It's cheap. But it won't get you banned.

But anyways, like I said in the other thread, there are already tons of workarounds for this (rock paper scissors, whoever is red/blue resigns, whoever is on the north or east side resigns, etc). So really, no real harm. A big overraction by the OP for nothing.

So why to remove it? It was match manipulation, no matter how you see it. And that rule does not just talk about ladder manipulation. It states 'match manipuation'.
If I follow that rule to all its extent, I could even report for guildies manipulating scrimmages, XD.
I think they just had no way to prove /rolls. Probably because emotes and /rolls won't got logged in chat. You can't prosecute what you can't prove.

Winterclaw · Apr 29, 2009, 12:12 AM // 00:12

Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey hey hey hey
Goodbye to /roll

Apollo Smile · Apr 29, 2009, 12:13 AM // 00:13

Wow, so we gonna gave a 15 page topic over /roll now. You people try to hard.

FengShuiDove · Apr 29, 2009, 12:26 AM // 00:26

It was a broken, abusive system intended for avoiding having to play the game the way it was meant to be played. If you want to get point/Zaishen rewards from HB, play HB. If you hate it that much, go do something else.

Halmyr · Apr 29, 2009, 12:27 AM // 00:27

4 years ago they remove /roll from outpost and now they finish the job and remove it from pvp

thats it

/ragequit

*sarcasme*

*insert random thing* is serious buisness

Longasc · Apr 29, 2009, 12:28 AM // 00:28

This "freedom being taken away" notion is rather funny.

I would rather say, take a look at Hero Battles. They have something in common with City of Heroes new mission editor.

People prefer to farm/abuse it to the max.

I do not blame the people, I blame the system.
If hero battles would be great, people would not need extra incentives to play them.

I just wonder: Why do we not roll in HA? Is there a social barrier that prevents a team from rolling 100?

Ate of DK · Apr 29, 2009, 12:28 AM // 00:28

Looks like Anet just nerfed the biggest "/roll"-er ever seen in GW.
The worlds end is comming... I laughed. GW is serious buisiness.

I think any form of manipulation should be removed and punished. I want to fight people, not /roll for some points I don't care about...

And guess what, when I refuse to /roll and start killing... they ragequit.
Maybe there will be some more players around now who PLAY the game.

Apollo Smile · Apr 29, 2009, 12:32 AM // 00:32

They should add Rock Paper Scissors next for more RAGE.

faraaz · Apr 29, 2009, 12:34 AM // 00:34

LMAO @ OP.

What the hell are you thinking? You are pissed that you cant abuse the game anymore to farm titles? Tell it to someone who cares...IMO this is the best thing to happen to HB in a long time. GG Anet. I <3 u!

JoeKnowMo · Apr 29, 2009, 12:35 AM // 00:35

They should've removed HB from the game instead of /roll. The latter is used more.

Longasc · Apr 29, 2009, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by JoeKnowMo

They should've removed HB from the game instead of /roll. The latter is used more.

You are so right.

But imagine - no Hero Battles, fewer Xunlai Tournament House predictions and less stuff to win.

I guess people will shoot me when I say the Zaishen Chest idea got out of control, too.